ABANDONING LIBERTY FOR TYRANNY
A formerly American woman who allowed herself to become enchatteled to a Saudi man has some complaints about Saudi style multiculturalism. It’s funny how even in Saudi Arabia, this formerly American woman’s main concern is the Benjamins. Considering that millions of women have risked everything attempting to escape Islamic slavery for Western liberty [although, to be fair, she'd probably get arrested in Canada for her criticisms of Saudi men, for "Islamophobia" and "racism" -- the man-hating would be okay though], is this funny or pathetic?
Saudis With Multiple Wives – Where Does The Foreign Wife Fit In?
This is a delicate subject which I have touched on briefly in the past. … According to Islam a man may have up to four wives. … Once one has been in the Kingdom for a period of time it is inevitable that a woman will meet other women whose husband has multiple wives.
Among the questions that commonly arise when discussing a multi-wife situation are finances. For example, should a foreign wife give financial help to her husband when there are multiple wives/ex-wives involved in the relationship? Should a foreign wife continue to help support a Saudi husband, if he takes another wife and has other children, without her consent? [HA HA] It seems that foreign wives who may find themselves in such a situation were usually not consulted and/or not aware of the existence of another wife(s) and in many cases had built a good foundation with their Saudi husband such as a house, savings and other assets. … Should a foreign wife (or Saudi wife for that matter) suffer as a result of HIS actions?
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It seems that some women who find themselves in a polygamous relationship against their will or choice feel that they no longer have choices or options; especially if children are involved. [Here's an idea: don't get involved with a man who can treat you like a slave and then legally hook up with another concubine. How about not marrying someone who follows that teachings of an infamous pedophile? How about not mating with someone who adheres to an ideology that asserts that a woman is worth half of a man? Don't go live in a place where you are treated like dirt and have no freedom of religion?] Saudi law automatically grants custody of children to a man in the event a relationship is terminated through divorce. Therefore many women stay unhappily married and in a situation they intensely dislike rather than risk being separated from their husband. If the wife is a foreign wife and divorces due to dissent over the husband having another wife, she automatically loses her mahrem (male guardian) and can be forced to leave the Kingdom without her children. [Who doesn't know this? Cry me a river. Spare a thought for the poor kids growing up in this obscene and revolting society.]
My first instinct is to encourage the woman to be strong and remember she has choices. If the situation is unbearable and bringing her down emotionally, mentally and physically, get out of the situation.
Saudi Arabia: Where Have All the Honorable Men Gone?
It’s been a tough week. Let’s see… one Western wife received a divorce from her Saudi husband. She is now struggling to find a sponsor so she can remain in the Kingdom to be close to her two sons. … Another Western wife left in the middle of the night with the clothes on her back in order to escape an abusive husband. … Another first wife continues her struggle of what to do with her life since learning her husband not only had taken a second wife but that they had a young child together. [Sounds like Obama's mum.] This Saudi recently relocated his second wife and child to the Kingdom and is telling his Western wife of many years that they will likely need to relocate to another residence now that he has two families to support and he cannot maintain the previous lifestyle shared with the first wife. [Always about the almighty dollar! What about sharing your husband's dick with a bunch of other women, spreading STD's hither and yon, degrading yourself, and raising children in such an abnormal and psychologically depraved environment?] A second wife [concubine] continues her struggles on learning when coming to the Kingdom with her Saudi husband that he was not divorced as he had sworn to her. He is also telling her that she must work and support herself as he has to take care of his other family. [$$$] Gee, what does that mean about her? She’s not family? [Actually, no. That would be concubinage you're describing there.] Is she like chopped liver or something? [A bit of Yiddish would have been effective here. But, no, not chopped liver. Chattel. Chattel, I say.]
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Is it any wonder that hearing of such circumstances makes me sometimes question how many honorable men are really here? [No.] Can one really and truly trust a Saudi man? [DUH!] Why does one continue to hear tale after heart wrenching tale? [Hmmm ... I wonder why ...] I better understand why so many women who are here and married to a Saudi discourage other woman from doing so. [Hmmm ... I wonder why ...] I’m not sure if I am at that point yet, but I’m getting close. [Hey Ahmed, your slave's starting to get uppity!] I realize life never has any guarantees but one has got to ensure a deck is stacked in their favor before contemplating giving up jobs, family ties, what is known before venturing off into the unknown of Saudi Arabia for a man one may not have seen in his natural habitat. Hmm…get me started here and I may start to compare Saudi men to chameleons…adaptable to a situation and taking on whatever role will get them their way… [You think?!]
The Second Wife – She too Feels Pain
So she’s a second wife? She probably knew what she was getting in to then entering into a relationship with a man who already had commitments such as another wife and a family. Most individuals likely refer to her as a homewrecker and wonder why she could not cast her net out for a single man. But you might be surprised…she too has her own story, circumstances and yes, even pain. [Who is this? Oprah!?]
Following typical tradition she met him when he was outside of the Kingdom, by himself, without a sign or hint of another romantic interest, let alone a wife and family. And oh how a Saudi man can charm… [Huh!? If you say so. $audi Charm = Hereditary privilege + Petrodollars] he courted her and charmed her off of her feet. [Vomit.] She was confident she had found her Prince Charming and when he proposed whizzing her off on his Magic Carpet to the Magic Kingdom she was ecstatic and could not wait. [HA HA] Her family were concerned she was going to be so far away but at the same time pleased she had found happiness. [Sure...]
The bubble burst …
The rest is predictable, for anyone with half a brain!
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72 Virgins (Check out the slut in the front showing her ankles!)
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Here’s something from “A Saudi woman back to Saudi Arabia after being away for so long.. I lived abroad a great deal of my life, now I am back and I feel trapped and frustrated”:
I MISS MY CAR!!!!! I miss my nice red car.. God it was so hard for me to sell it .. I left it to the last minute just so That I enjoy it to the last min.. I never had to wait.. or book the driver.. or even think of waiting or missing my thing because of this..I want to cry now..every time I think about going out I miss my car. .. I MISS MY CAR!!!!! .. I don’t want to go out any more.. Ill just stay here.. I cant walk to the place I need to go to.. I cant drive to the place I need to go to.. I don’t have any mean of a public transport to go to the place I need to go.. you know what.. I don’t need to go to that place because now I am just frustrated.. because I miss my CAR!!! Now in tears.. Why Did I ever!!! ahhhh.. Giving up the LOVE of my life was so hard to do.. so hard! that car took me every where on weekends I drove to the country side.. I traveled with that car.. saw new places.. went on outings.. to the summer market.. I miss you my car.. it took care of me and made me verrrryyyy happpy.. now I am miserable.. That car meant freedom to me.. and now I feel caged!
Wimmin driving cars! What next!?
Oh well. At least she wasn’t dumb enough to choose such a fate
I get scared just coming out of the car to get to the door because of all the stories you hear.. now I cant even have a decent conversation in the car or turn to your side just because they think you are looking at them then they would follow you.. this happens almost every car ride I have, it is so annoying.. you have to sit in the car like a stone statue just so they don’t take it the wrong way and think your inviting to be harassed. Just because I am a woman and happen to be walking or riding a car with a driver alone in the street somewhere or a mall then what I heard some say that you are asking for it so you deserve to be harassed!
She hasn’t blogged since January. I wonder if the religious police tracked her down and put her in her place.
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Saudi Bikini
33 Comments
June 14, 2008 at 11:10 am
Everyone sees things from their own little box. Including you.
It looks like you need to open your mind and embrace a little of the “gentle” Christian teachings and withhold some of your ignorant sarcasm.
At least American Bedu is attempting to create understanding whereas your post just stirs more hatred and bigotry.
June 14, 2008 at 11:23 am
“Lady” J,
Everyone sees things from their own little box. Including you.
It looks like you need to open your mind and try to stop yourself from being so judgmental, and withhold some of your ignorant, hurtful, mind-numbing, unhelpful, insensitive, hateful, bigoted and condescending po-faced lecturing.
I think it’s clear from my analysis that I very much appreciate Saudi Bedu’s helpful attempt to warn foolish women not to enslave themselves, especially to piggish men, and especially not to go and live in a disgusting apartheid state.
June 18, 2008 at 11:45 pm
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June 22, 2008 at 7:10 pm
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June 22, 2008 at 7:16 pm
[...] some posts from another American woman on her experiences with the disgusting mating [...]
July 23, 2008 at 1:30 am
hmmm… so I guess dating a saudi ain’t such a good idea after all. Am I better off not getting married?
July 23, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Dear Maria,
I appreciate that you have come to me seeking matrimonial advice, and I have to tell you that of course it would be better to remain single than to marry a Muslim. (This would probably be true even for a Muslim woman.)
Especially since you are named after The Blessed Theotokos, I guess you would never hear the end of anti-Christian garbage: “Do you know your real name is Mariam, and Jesus’ mother was a Muslim but the Jews and Crusaders lie about her … blah blah blah.”
(Interestingly, even Muslims believe that Jesus was immaculately conceived, which of course would make him superior to The Pedophile Mohammad, but bizarrely they don’t come to that logical conclusion.)
Besides that, the average Saudi man appears to be less mature than even your Italian or Japanese man; so even if you were to marry a Saudi who has been illegally baptised, you’d probably end up with an overgrown momma’s boy who keeps a few hookers in bling; but hopefully the grace of Jesus Christ would keep him on the right track.
I trust this advice will be helpful for you, and save you from commiting matrimonial slavery/suicide with a Saudi Muslim.
God bless you.
August 22, 2008 at 11:31 pm
I refuse respond to your ignorant and hate post.
Stupid Pakistani women wears burqa. Saudi women are liberate.
August 23, 2008 at 4:51 am
You are the loser of highest degree.
Come to Saudi you will lose head!
Islam woman is superior and liberate!
Western woman is dirty sluts.
December 7, 2008 at 7:32 am
Saudi has no women — at least not visible on the streets. they’re all in their houses, chained to the kitchen while abdul is out with the camels or sheep or young lads
January 8, 2009 at 3:55 pm
I plan on starting a whorehouse featuring Arabic women. No need for Arabic men to get killed and then have sex with the virgins as this is just a hoax. Get laid while you are alive. The top dogs of Islam have harems while the underdogs have to chase sheep. Now the uderdogs will not have to settle for sheep.
Pablo Cares !
January 9, 2009 at 1:17 am
I’ve been dating a Saudi for the last two years and I can’t agree with you more… It wasn’t until a few months ago that he told me our “relationship” wasn’t going anywhere and he would have an arraigned marriage once he was done with college here. Maybe it’s a blessing that he’s not dragging me back to the motherland and sucking me into this horrible lifestyle, but I couldn’t help but be so hurt. Why would he wait a year and a half to tell me this? Waiting until I’d done fallen in love with him. I know people think that your view of their culture is “closed-minded” and “ignorant” but people… it’s SO TRUE! I challenge ANYONE to date a Saudi and come up with a different view of them and their culture other than what I’ve been reading from your blog. People, I promise you won’t see them as charming as they pretend to be when you first meet them.
January 9, 2009 at 1:22 am
Know it…
Out of curiosity, are you Muslim?
January 9, 2009 at 1:27 am
No I am not…. I was willing to convert, change everything, but the way it was explained to me was that his family would hate me because I am white and American and they would overlook whether I’d converted or not. So I gave up. I suppose God doesn’t want me to be Muslim then?
January 9, 2009 at 1:30 am
I can’t figure out why any woman would have anything to do with a man whose religion/sociopolitical cult teaches that “men have a degree (of advantage) over them” (Koran 2:228 ); that the witness of woman is worth half of that of man (2:282); that women inherit half of their male siblings (4:11-12); that a man can marry two or three or four women (4:3); that if a women becomes captive in a war, her Muslim master is allowed to rape her (33:50); that if a woman is not totally submissive to her husband she will enter Hell (66:10); that women are “tilth” for their husbands (to cultivate them) (2:223); that men are in charge of women, as if women were imbeciles or minors who could not take care of themselves; that they must be obedient to their husbands or be admonished (verbally abused), banished from the bed (psychologically abused) and beaten (physically abused) (4:34).
And the fact that the founder of the cult was a pedophile rapist gangster terrorist thief should be enough to wake any woman up.
http://brianakira.wordpress.com/2008/02/02/52-year-old-man-fucked-9-year-old-girl/
http://brianakira.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/copper-kids-moham-sex-comix/
Besides, how could you be with a man who is forbidden to be your friend?
“O you who have attained to faith! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for your friends: they are but friends of one another and whoever of you allies himself with them becomes, verily, one of them; behold, God does not guide people who are unjust.” (Koran 5:51)
January 9, 2009 at 1:32 am
Re: “I was willing to convert”
From Christianity?
Didn’t that bother you? Or you’re not really a believer?
January 9, 2009 at 1:34 am
Of the 50+ saudis that attend my university I don’t know one of them who has not cheated on their wife (or tried to). It’s so sad, really. Why did I continue my relationship with him?? Good looks and charm, that’s why. I thought what we had was “special” but I’ve come to realize I’m probably just being laughed at behind my back by all his friends.
Muslims also have a convenient way of being with a woman w/o being married to her. It’s called a “temporary marriage”. I agreed to it. (idk why.. don’t ask). Several of my friends who have dated the Saudis here have been asked to do the temporary marriage as well, but it freaked them out and they hauled ass out of the relationship. Apparently this is practiced among Sunni and Shia alike….
January 9, 2009 at 1:36 am
Re: “a temporary marriage”
Mut’a.
Sorry if this offends you, but the fact is that this “holy” institution was enacted in Islam to make it legal for Muslim men to fuck whores.
So it is more than “I’ve come to realize I’m probably just being laughed at behind my back by all his friends.” I assure you they consider you a whore. Of course he also considered you a whore, or he wouldn’t have suggested it.
Sunni authorities agree that mut’a was permitted by the Pedophile Moham at certain points during his lifetime — whenever he wanted some temporary non-slave non-multiple-wife pussy — but they maintain that in the end he prohibited it completely. (However, Sunni men commonly engage in mut’a.) In contrast the Shi’is maintain that the Prophet did not ban it.
It is a contract, and it is understood that the woman is to be paid.
It is permissible for the contract to stipulate as a condition a particular time for meetings between the husband and wife, such as daytime or night-time. As already mentioned, it is also permissible for a given number of sexual acts for a given period to be stipulated, as for example, during one day or over the whole period of the “marriage”.
January 9, 2009 at 1:38 am
I don’t have a firm stance on a religious school of thought at the moment… Raised a Christian, but I don’t practice the religion or exactly believe in a lot of the doctrine.
January 9, 2009 at 1:41 am
lol Yeah I figured that out eventually. Apparently you can be temporarily married for an hour, a day, a weekend…. it doesn’t matter. It’s all so that the men can go around feeling like they haven’t done anything wrong without paying a dowry or accepting any responsibility should a pregnancy occur in its time-frame.
January 9, 2009 at 1:45 am
St Paul:
“Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
“So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
“For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.”
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“Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
“The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.”
January 9, 2009 at 1:47 am
Well, if Sunni authorities have banned it then I’m surprised… one of my closest friends was asked to have a temporary marriage with a Sunni, although the formalities of it were quite different than my experience with a Shia Muslim.
My dowry was only $1.00 ha. I didn’t know anything at the time. We’d been dating in sin for a while and I figured I’d make it easy on the poor guy to not feel guilty being around me. I guess most men would like to have sex with whomever they wanted and be guilt-free… it just pisses me off that some hide behind their religion to feel that way. I mean, what if I really were some slut-bag bimbo and gave him AIDS and he goes back to Saudi and claims he’s still a virgin and marries a girl or two and they all kill out? It’s so stupid!
January 9, 2009 at 1:51 am
Re: “without paying a dowry or accepting any responsibility should a pregnancy occur in its time-frame.”
In mut’a, or as I like to call it “whore’s marriage”, there is no inheritance between husband and wife in unless it should be specifically mentioned as a condition of the contract.
A male child of a mut’a “wife” is due one half the inheritance of a legitimate child.
January 9, 2009 at 1:56 am
Re: “what if I really were some slut-bag bimbo and gave him AIDS and he goes back to Saudi and claims he’s still a virgin and marries a girl or two and they all kill out”
As far as I can tell, male and female homosexuality are more common in Muslim societies, especially in Saudi Arabia. I think an fair analogy with prison sex could be made.
Also, I know for a fact that Saudis trawl the world for hookers. (And of course make a habit of raping the maids.)
So, the incidence of AIDS there is probably well-established already. I’m not really bothered what the official figures are, since I wouldn’t expect them to be honest.
January 9, 2009 at 2:00 am
I believe you on the traveling the world for hookers part…. I’ve heard several stories first-hand about losing one’s virginity to a Russian prostitute in Bahrain.
Oh and the horror stories about homosexual rape I’ve heard from my Saudi…. horrible! It happens in public schools, on soccer fields, on the street while they walk home. Just small boys being raped by men, and often with an audience too. The shame and ignorance of their own sexuality causes most to never tell their parents or any authorities.
January 9, 2009 at 2:03 am
And true, they wouldn’t ever be honest about anything that would taint the image of their holy and wonderful Kingdom… It’s worthless to even try to ask questions.
January 9, 2009 at 2:09 am
I know what you mean. I’m not into slander, but all we can go on is what we’ve heard, since there’s not likely to be any scientific study of such things.
A Canadian soldier told me the little boy hookers would line up to service Afghan men — everyone knows and nobody cares.
An Iranian Christian told me he was gang-raped at school, everyone knew, and he’d probably get the death penalty if he complained. There are numerous press reports of similar incidents throughout the Muslim world )including now of course the UK, France, etc).
An English guy told me he was arrested in Egypt on some nonsense charge, then the cops stripped him in the station and took turns simulating buggering him until he paid them off.
Et cetera ad nauseum.
Of course non-Muslims also commit such crimes, but I’m sure the incidence is much higher in Muslimia, and surrounded by more terrorized silence. Their obsessiveness in keeping men and women apart, and the general contempt for women cannot possibly create a healthy society.
January 9, 2009 at 2:21 am
KIA2W,
Every time I write about Islam, I feel like taking a shower.
Sunnis clearly forbid “temporary marriage”, though of course many horny Sunni do it anyway.
The Sunnis argue that sexual intercourse is forbidden except with one’s wife or a slave by reason of the verse: ‘Prosperous are the believers … who guard their private parts save from their wives and what their right hands own.’ (23:1-6) According to the Pedophile Moham’s child-bride ‘A’isha and others: ‘ Mut’a is forbidden and abrogated in the Qur’an where God says: “who guard their private parts. ..”
The Sunni argument continues by pointing out that without question a woman enjoyed through mut’a is not a slave. Nor is she a wife, for several reasons: If she were a wife, she and her husband would inherit from each other, since God says: ‘ And for you a half of what your wives leave. ..’. (4:12). But everyone agrees that mut’a does not involve inheritance. If she were a wife, the child would belong to the husband, since according to the Pedophile Moham: ‘The child belongs to the bed.’ But again this is not the case. And finally, if she were a wife, it would be necessary for her to maintain the waiting period [i.e. two menstrual periods, for a non-slave], since this is commanded by the Mohammadan false deity (2:234); but this also is not the case.
Shi’is argue that the verse abrogating mut’a was revealed in Mecca, while the verse establishing it was revealed after the Pedophile Moham had emigrated to Medina; but a verse which abrogates another verse must be revealed after it.
January 9, 2009 at 2:42 am
KIA2W,
I’ve never asked commenters personal questions before, but I’ve very curious how old you are. And how old you were then: “I didn’t know anything at the time.”
I could email you if you like.
January 10, 2009 at 12:14 am
I’m 22, and I was 20 when I first made friends with the Saudis at my university. They seemed so nice and hospitable at first- inviting me to a friend’s apartment for tea or hookah or just watching movies. I mean, I grew up on a farm in the middle of nowhere in the Bible-belt of America… I was totally naive to how middle-easterners were. I wanted to believe that all people were good and kind and that stereotypes had no basis whatsoever.
It took me over a year to realize what was really happening. I was just going through the motions, trying to fit in with my new friends (and boyfriend). I learned their culture, how to cook Arabic food for my boyfriend and his friends, how to serve tea to them, learned their language as best as I could. How stupid I was to think that this guy actually loved me or had any plans to include me in his future!
I just hope that anyone reading this who is/was in my situation will pay attention to what I have to say. I’m not a stupid ditzy American girl, I’m an educated honor graduate who tried to approach the Saudi/Muslim/Middle Eastern way of life with open arms, an open heart, and and open mind. And I STILL am left with nothing to say but that they are all sick, sick-minded people with no respect or thought for women or anyone other than themselves.
And I totally agree with you… I feel like taking a shower now.
January 21, 2009 at 3:39 am
KIA2W,
I’m glad you dodged that bullet.
January 21, 2009 at 3:44 am
Dear Muslim Girls,
I just want to express my sympathy for you.
It must be tough to realize that your daddy/brothers/boyfriends/husband are allowed to take sex-slaves, rape non-muslims, screw around with non-Muslim punanny, “temporarily marry” rancid whores and come home to further spread whatever pox they contract; but you’re only limited to being stuck with Muslim dick.
No wonder you’re annoyed!
And if you get attached to some man (who of course is worth twice what you are) he can use you as a starter breeder and then humiliate you by bringing home some perky-breasted young bint and you’ll have to listen to her giggling moaning while you’re forced to wash her dirty knickers.
She could be some hot Javan, doe-eyed gold-digger, hot-blooded Persian … even some English slapper, Swedish feminist, or fat lonely Canadian chick … all looking at you with contempt and waiting for their breakfast in bed …
Wow, it’s tough to be a Muslimah, ain’t it?
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Islam Colonizes The Womb
January 21, 2009 at 3:56 am
Clarification, re “rape non-muslims”, from Sheik Ibn Abu:
Technically, a Muslim cannot rape a non-Muslim unless she has paid the Jizya, since un-submissive non-Muslims are haaram, filthy, and all they are and have belongs to the Mohamaddan.
In other words, if she is a non-submissive kaffir, then forcing sex on her is not “rape” according to Sharia law.
Therefore, unless you first determine whether this kaffir chattel has paid her protection tax or not, you can’t speak about “rape”.
In the event that she has submitted to Islamic domination, then we would need 4 witnesses (4 male, 8 female, or a proportionate combination) to determine whether she had consented or not.
As The Prophet (P Be Upon Him) has said, “A virgin’s consent is indicated by her silence,” if she did not fight these men to the death, we can determine that she was begging for it.
And as for her age, The Prophet (P Be Upon Him) himself blessed a 6-year-old Aisha with matrimony, and filled her with the Mighty Man-Root of Allah when she reached the mature age of 9. It is not clear whether or not the little minx tempted and seduced The Perfect Man (P Be Upon Him)
Having read this clarification, I trust you will concede that Islam provides the perfect, most humane, system of Law, and Mohammad (P etc etc) raised women higher than men, and honoured them even though they are dirty and must be kept from manly gaze and are only worth half of a man.
Salleeh Allaha Allahu Akhbar, Bismallah We Will Not Let You Go