People who think religion is a joke will not get the following, or care about details. Christians and Muslims who are serious about their religion will understand the issues.
From theobamafile.com:
March 14th, 2007, the Obama Campaign told the LA Times that Obama was not a “practicing Muslim.”
But Muslims do not see practice as key. For them, that Obama was born to a line of Muslim males makes him born a Muslim.
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Obama’s father was a Muslim. Obama’s grandfather was a Muslim. Obama’s stepfather was a Muslim. Sarah, who Obama calls grandmother is a Muslim. Obama’s stepbrothers and stepsisters are Muslims.
Obama’s sister Maya was quoted by the New York Times as saying, “My whole family was Muslim.”
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His official website says: “Obama Has Never Been A Muslim, And Is a Committed Christian.”
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Obama Senior was a Muslim, as was his extended family. Although Obama Senior was not a practicing Muslim, he was [married and] buried in Muslim rites.
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All Indonesian students are required to study religion at school and a young Barry Soetoro, being a Muslim, would have been required to study Islam daily in school.
He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of Islam.
In his autobiography, “Dreams From My Father,” Obama mentions studying the Quran and describes the public school as “a Muslim school.”
According to Tine Hahiyary, one of Obama’s teachers and the principal from 1971 through 1989, Barry actively took part in the Islamic religious lessons during his time at the school. His teacher was named Maimunah and she lived in the Puncak area, the Cianjur Regency.
“I remembered that he had studied “mengaji” (recitation of the Quran)” Tine said.
Obama himself recalls, “In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies.”
Our guy in Jakarta writes: “The actual usage of the word ‘mengaji’ in Indonesian and Malaysian societies means the study of learning to recite the Quran in the Arabic language rather than the native tongue. “Mengagi” is a word and a term that is accorded the highest value and status in the mindset of fundamentalist societies here in Southeast Asia. To put it quite simply, ‘mengaji classes’ are not something that a non practicing or so-called moderate Muslim family would ever send their child to. To put this in a Christian context, this is something above and beyond simply enrolling your child in Sunday school classes.”
“The fact that Obama had attended mengaji classes is well known in Indonesia and has left many there wondering just when Obama is going to come out of the closet.”
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In 2007, Obama’s classmate Rony Amiris describes young Barry as enjoying playing football and marbles and of being a very devout Muslim. Amir said, “Barry was previously quite religious in Islam.
“We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house. If he was wearing a sarong he looked funny,” said Rony.
Amiris now the manager of the Bank Mandiri, Jakarta, recently said, “Barry was previously quite religious in Islam. His birth father, Barack Hussein Obama was a Muslim economist from Kenya. Before marrying Ann Dunham, Hussein Obama was married to a woman from Kenya who had seven children. All the relatives of Barry’s father were very devout Muslims“
Rony extrapolates further, that Obama at one point had to change his religion if he ever intended later to run for the office of President of the United States because America would never elect a Muslim to the be President of the United States.
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In 2007, Emirsyah Satar, CEO of Garuda Indonesia [NB. Obama's Kenyan and Indonesian families both moved in the elite circles. Obama's Indonesian father worked in the oil industry and was close to the ruling junta. His Kenyan father was a communist bureaucrat who was sidelined by the socialist government for being too extreme.] was quoted as saying, “He (Obama) was often in the prayer room wearing a ’sarong’, at that time.”
“He was quite religious in Islam but only after marrying Michelle, he changed his religion.”
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When Obama first undertook his agitating work in Chicago’s South Side poor neighborhoods, he was un-churched. Yet his office was in a Church and most of the folks he needed to agitate and organize were Church people — pastors and congregants — who took their churches and their church-going very seriously. Again and again, he was asked by pastors and church ladies, “Where do you go to Church, young man?”
There were personal and political motivations for Obama to belong to a congregation, as well.
So, Obama finally joined a church, in part to deepen what one friend called “a whole web of relationships” in the community that gave him a strong political base and a well-connected mentor.
Obama didn’t join just any church, but a huge black nationalist church, the Trinity United Church of Christ (UCC). Its pastor, Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, a former Muslim and black nationalist, unabashedly preaches a “black” gospel” and “liberation theory.”
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Trinity is very anti-Israel and supports divestment.
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Obama soon falls under the spell of the leftist black nationalist preacher, who preaches African-American unity through antipathy toward whites. Wright, who acts as Obama’s personal spiritual adviser, is militantly Afrocentric.
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Wright had grown up in Philadelphia, the son of a Baptist minister. He had resisted his father’s vocation at first, joining the Marines out of college, dabbling with liquor, Islam, and black nationalism in the sixties. …
At the University of Chicago Divinity School, he [Wright] earned another masters degree in the history of religions with a focus on Islam.
In a Trinity church bulleting, Rev. Wright pens the following: “Most of our members do not know that my Master’s Degree from the University of Chicago’s Divinity School was in the area of Islam in West Africa during the 19th Century — when the trans-Atlantic Slave Trade was at its zenith.”
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Islam and Black Liberation Theology
At Trinity UCC’s 2007 Trumpet Gala, Wright named the “Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan,” acting head of the Nation of Islam, as Trinity’s “Man of the Year,” and awarded him the “Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer Award.”
It was Farrakhan, who was quoted saying, “White people are potential humans — they haven’t evolved yet”
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Obama chose this minister and his church very carefully. He “could have picked any church — the spare, spiritual places in Hyde Park, the awesome pomp and procession of the cathedrals downtown. He could have picked a mosque, for that matter, or even a synagogue. Obama chose Trinity United. He picked Jeremiah Wright. Obama writes in his autobiography that on the day he chose this church, he felt the spirit of black memory and history moving through Wright, and ‘felt for the first time how that spirit carried within it, nascent, incomplete, the possibility of moving beyond our narrow dreams.’”
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There is much confusion surrounding the date of Obama’s conversion. Some newspaper reports place this event in 1988. On Fox News, March 14th, 2007, Obama himself places this event in 1992.
Nobody, except Obama knows if his conversion to Christianity is real or not. Although some reports and even Obama have referred to a “baptism”, there doesn’t appear to be any record of a baptism.
Chicago-based journalist, broadcaster and critic Andy Martin, when asked about Obama’s baptism, wrote, “I have never been able to obtain any evidence that he was baptized, although I asked for those records.”
It seems that Obama’s conversion occurred when he answered one of Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright’s altar calls by walking down the aisle of Trinity Church to make a formal commitment of his faith.
Cathleen Falsani, religion columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times, writes, “He (Obama) described his conversion experience in his mid-20s, how he walked the aisle at Trinity United Church of Christ one Sunday in a public affirmation of his private change of heart.”
“I came to Christianity through the black church tradition where the line between evangelical and non-evangelical is completely blurred. Nobody knows exactly what it means.”
“Does it mean that you feel you’ve got a personal relationship with Christ the savior? Then that’s directly part of the black church experience. Does it mean you’re born-again in a classic sense, with all the accouterments that go along with that, as it’s understood by some other tradition? I’m not sure.”
“There are aspects of Christian tradition that I’m comfortable with and aspects that I’m not. There are passages of the Bible that make perfect sense to me and others that I go, ‘Ya know, I’m not sure about that.’”
The specifically political character of his new church is what drew Obama out of his skeptical isolation and into religion.
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Falsani warns us that Obama’s walking the aisle at Trinity is poles apart from what Christians commonly refer to as being “saved, transformed or washed in the blood.” In other words, it’s not to be confused with what Jesus called being “born again.” As Mr. Obama himself explains, “It wasn’t an epiphany … but just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me.”
In another account of this event, Manya Brachear, writing in the Chicago Tribune, describes the event thusly: “When Obama sought his own church community, he felt increasingly at home at Trinity. Before leaving for Harvard Law School in 1988, he responded to one of Wright’s altar calls and declared a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
Falsani wonders, “What kind of faith is it that is growing in Barack Obama? Is it the historic Christian faith? Not according to the good senator, who describes his faith as: (1) Suspicious of dogma (2) Without any monopoly on the truth (3) Nontransferable to others (4) Infused with a big healthy dose of doubt, and (5) Indulgent of and compatible with all other religions.”
Unlike traditional Christianity, which Mr. Obama bemoans for its “call to evangelize and proselytize,” the good senator’s faith is strictly a personal and private affair. Although he has no qualms about parading it in public in hopes of bolstering his political career, he would never dream of preaching it to others in hopes of converting them to Christ.
At the core of Obama’s faith — whether lapsed Muslim, new Christian or some mixture of the two — is African nativism. Obama’s having pledged allegiance to the Black Value System raises political issues of its own.
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Why should Reverend Wright’s Muslim past concern us?
First, Reverend Wright’s hate sermons are virtually identical as those given by his good friend, Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who followed in the footsteps of Malcolm X. For example, this description by Ben Wallace Wells, published in Rolling Stone makes clear the connection:
“Wright takes the pulpit here one Sunday and solemnly, sonorously declares that he will recite ten essential facts about the United States. “Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college,” [which is false, BTW] he intones.
“”Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!” There is thumping applause; Wright has a cadence and power.
“Now the reverend begins to preach. “We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional KILLERS. . . . We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. . . . We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. . . . We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means!”
“The crowd whoops and amens as Wright builds to his climax: “And. And. And! GAWD! Has GOT! To be SICK! OF THIS SHIT! …”
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Obama officially becomes an apostate Muslim by his conversion and the question needs to be asked, was Obama’s conversion faith-based or political expediency?
In either case, Muslims view Obama as first a Muslim and then as an apostate Muslim. He faces the death penalty in nearly the entire Islamic world.
There is no dispute among either ancient or modern Muslim scholars that under Islamic law, a murtadd, “one who turns his back on Islam,” an apostate, must be put to death. Irtidad, apostasy, is committing treason against God, and traitors deserve to be killed. At a minimum, other Muslims would shun him if not kill him and his mother. The fact they are eagerly welcomed by the Muslim community begs the question, is he their ‘Manchurian’ candidate?
At a minimum, Obama should be asked if he will support the efforts of Christian missionaries in Islamic countries to peacefully convert Muslims to Christianity.
But the big question remains – did Obama actually convert?
Has he publicly rejected his Muslim religion and accepted Christ?
The punishment for apostasy in Islam
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Obama’s…brother Roy opted for Islam over Christianity, as Obama recounted when describing his 1992 wedding.
“The person who made me proudest of all,” Obama wrote, “was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage and Islamic faith. He has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol.”
Abongo “Roy” Obama is a Luo activist and a militant Muslim who argues that the black man must “liberate himself from the poisoning influences of European culture.” He urges his younger brother to embrace his African heritage.
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On January 24. the Obama campaign released the following statement, “To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago.
This statement is refuted by the campaign on March 14th. (Below)
On February 27th, Barack Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth.”
In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, “with a first-class [Arabic] accent.”
The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the Shahada:
“Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet… “
According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim. This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim’s complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam.
Obama knows this from his Quranic studies — and he knows the New York Times will publish this fact and it will be seen throughout the world.
Original New York Times source — requires LogIn.
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Obama? – Shake the illusion, this guy’s a snake.
On March 14th, in a statement to The Times, the Obama campaign offered this statement to correct their previous statement:
“Obama has never been a practicing Muslim.” The statement added that as a child, Obama had spent time in the neighborhood’s Islamic center.
This is a departure from the earlier statement made by the Obama campaign on January 24. “To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago.
But Muslims do not see practice as key. For them, that Obama was born to a line of Muslim males makes him born a Muslim.
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In three months Barrack’s campaign has gone from describing the U.S. presidential hopeful as never having been a Muslim and never having been raised as a Muslim to now having never having been a practicing Muslim.
Obama’s father was a Muslim. Obama’s grandfather was a Muslim. Obama’s stepfather was a Muslim. Sarah, who Obama calls grandmother is a Muslim. Obama’s stepbrothers and stepsisters are Muslims. To Muslims, Obama IS a Muslim, no matter what he says.
His official website still contains the statement: “Obama Has Never Been A Muslim, And Is a Committed Christian.”
And, the original statement began, “To be clear …”
This is the biggest problem with Obama, dissimulation and al-taqiyya as a political tactic.
What’s with the semantics? Statements from Obama’s campaign appear to have evolved, to say the least.
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Sen. Barack Obama told a church convention Saturday that some right-wing evangelical leaders have exploited and politicized religious beliefs in an effort to sow division.
“Somehow, somewhere along the way, faith stopped being used to bring us together and faith started being used to drive us apart,” the Democratic presidential candidate said in a 30-minute speech before the national meeting of the United Church of Christ.
For Obama the acknowledgment of his religious upbringing has not been forthcoming and despite all the evidence to the contrary Obama continues to deny the fact that he was ever a Muslim. In the alternative, Obama would apparently have us to believe that one can somehow embrace Christianity without having to renounce Islam
So is Barack Obama really a stealth Muslim masquerading as a Christian? That all depends on what your definition of “is” is.
Obama must answer this simple question. “Do you renounce Islam and accept Christ?
Did you know, he never has.
On December 22nd, in a small-town café in Pleasantville, Omaha, Obama was asked a question that typically only circulates on the Internet.
As he sat down to have a slice of pie with a small group of potential voters and an elderly woman asked him about being Muslim.
“I’ve always been a Christian,” the Illinois Democrat responded in true Clintonesque fashion, “I have never practiced [Islam].”
[How could he convert to Christ if he was always a Christian!?]
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An American Expat in Southeast Asia blog, written by an American who has lived in Indonesia for 20 years and has met with both the Taliban and al-Qaeda, contains the following:
“Barack Hussein Obama might have convinced some Americans that he is no longer a Muslim, but so far he has not convinced many in the world’s most populous Muslim country who still see him as a Muslim and a crusader for Islam and world peace.”
“Barack Hussein Obama’s race, his staunch opposition to the war in Iraq, his sympathy to Islam and Muslims worldwide and his Muslim heritage receive the Indonesian media coverage. There is no mention of his apostasy.”
“A good example of how some of the Indonesian media is reporting on Obama’s religion can be found in the following.”
“Ayah kandung Obama disebut-sebut seorang Muslim, dan Barack Obama juga disebutkan pernah memeluk Islam. Setalah tinggal di AS dan diasuh neneknya, Obama mengaku telah memeluk Kristen. Masalah agama apa yang sekarang dianut Obama, itu adalah prinsip dirinya yang harus dihormati siapapun. Dan hanya Obama sendiri yang tahu dan akan mempertanggungjawabkan di hadapan Tuhan yang diyakininya.”
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“Obama’s father was mentioned to be a Muslim and Barack Obama had embraced Islam. After living in the USA and being taken care of by his grandmother, Obama claimed to embrace Christianity. The problem with religion and what is now followed by Obama is a principal he himself must honor. And only Obama personally will account before God for his beliefs.”
“What I found interesting in the article was the use of the word ‘mengaku’ when refering to Obama’s conversion from Islam to Christianity. The word ‘mengaku’ in Indonesian means “claimed” and as such leaves the insinuation to the native Indonesian reader being that Obama might actually still be a Muslim.
But this is how Indonesians see Obama, they don’t see him as an apostate at all, they see him as a crusader for the cause of Islam.”
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Posted to the web on February 15th, 2008:
I am Usama K. Dakdok, President of The Straight Way of Grace Ministry. I am invited by churches all over America to speak about ISLAM and its threat to America and the West.
I have had concerns about Senator Obama’s honesty regarding his so called Christian faith.
I called The United Church of Christ in Chicago Illinois, where Senator Obama is a member. If Senator Obama were indeed a Christian, he would be regarded as an “Apostate” which according to Islamic Law, would mean he would be subject to a death warrant imposed upon anyone who leaves Islam, according to the Prophet Mohammed. Many Muslims who have left Islam have been murdered on this basis worldwide. Putting Islamic law aside, Obama would still be condemned by Islam. However, in Senator Obama’s instance, Muslims in America are joyously happy to think that Obama would be a Muslim President in the white House. Obama is deceiving America. Muslims would not be endorsing a Muslim who left Islam and became a Christian.
It is important to note that I had four witnesses to this telephone conversation with his church. The date, time and length of the entire conversation can be verified by phone records. The following is the conversation I had with the church, regarding his membership there.
“My name is Usama, and I am from Egypt. I am interested in joining the church. I need to ask some questions please.” The operator directed me to the membership office. I proceeded to ask questions that only a Muslim would ask. “What is the difference between Baptists and your church?” She responded, ” We believe exactly what Baptists believe.” My second question was, “How big is your church and what kind of church is it?” She responded, “We are a Black African American Church and we have 6000 members. I asked, “Do I have to attend Sunday school classes or other meetings to be a member?” She answered “No.” I asked, “Do I have to be baptized to join the church?” She again answered, “No.” I asked, “Do I have to pay a membership Fee to join?” Her answer was No. I then asked her what I needed to do to join. She told me that I needed to attend two Sunday School classes in a row and then I would walk the aisle. I replied, “That sounds easy. One last question please. IF I AM MUSLIM AND I BELIEVE IN PROPHET MOHAMMED, PEACE BE UPON HIM AND I ALSO BELIEVE IN JESUS, PEACE BE UPON HIM, DO I HAVE TO GIVE UP MY ISLAMIC FAITH TO BE A MEMBER IN YOUR CHURCH?” SHE ANSWERED, “NO. WE HAVE MANY MUSLIM MEMBERS IN OUR CHURCH.” It is important to note that Muslims would not attend church.
I asked her, “Is that how Senator Barak Hussein Obama became a member?” There was silence. I went on and stated that his father and step father were Muslims, his grandfathers and grandmother are Muslims, his uncles and aunts, nephews and nieces and cousins are Muslims and everyone in his family in Kenya are Muslims. She replied to me, “I am sorry, I cannot answer these questions for you.” I of course sensed she was uncomfortable. I ended the conversation by saying to her, “YOUR CHURCH HAS DONE GREAT HARM TO THIS COUNTRY BY COVERING A WOLF IN SHEEP’S CLOTHING AND THAT WOLF IS SENATOR BARAcK HUSSEIN OBAMA.” End of phone call.
This is fraud to the people of the United States of America.
Sincerely,
Usama Dakdok
1 Comment
June 12, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Yes Obama’s sister said that Obama was a muslim!
http://goodtimepolitics.com/2008/06/12/obamas-sister-says-he-was-muslim/